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Extremely very cramped engine bay lengthwise. yeah, had actually currently figured that out ... it was a tongue in cheek post, that I didn't explain ... my bad In reply to spitfirebill: I included that point due to the fact that when I needed to discover a substitute 4.9 for my F150, I needed to go with each in every junkyard in South Jersey to locate one that wasn't sludged up actually badly.
Bernie: Which is a much better van, while we're going to talk regarding a few issues of these vans, but I I'm plainly not going to come out and say one is much better than the other. Bernie: Well, they're essentially the exact same car.
They seem to be a bit more used because location, yet, you recognize, those are some of the uses, but they're essentially the same group of vehicle. Mark: So, well, allow's start with engines then. What problems do you see in between these two lorries? Bernie: Yeah. So allow's speak about engine and really simply to specify that the design years, we're mosting likely to begin with 2000 and up, you understand, I indicate, these vans have been around for a long period of time.
And, you know, for a variation of a Chevy van has actually been around given that, you recognize, around that time too. We're not going to get back right into, into the earlier stuff. Given that 2000, I imply, Ford's, you can get these with V6 engines or V8s. V8s are a lot more preferred and I wouldn't actually suggest a V6 engine.
There's a whole lot of issues with these engines. In the earlier 2000 trigger plugs with strike to these engines, due to the fact that they really did not have enough threading in the trigger plug, which triggered problems.
If you're getting anything from possibly 08 and more recent, you're not going to have that kind of stimulate plug issues. Various other areas though, with the Fords that we see, intake manifolds will certainly leakage, they'll create coolant leakages. It's a plastic manifold usually you need to change the entire thing.
And there's some concerns, the Ford engine I need to state in their favour, because I'm discussing problems, it's a more sophisticated engine. Overhead web cam, so you're getting more power and performance out of the engine than you would certainly on a Chevy, which is a simpler layout with press rods.
They're just actually rather excellent, sturdy, strong engines. You understand, being a van, obviously, you know, doing any kind of solution on them is a lot more complex due to the fact that you've reached eliminate that cover and obtain into servicing in odd ways. Things like stimulate plugs last a dreadful lengthy time, so they don't need to be replaced really usually.
Mark: Can you buy these vans with diesel engines? Bernie: You can and we do service a few of them. I can't think about if we've ever done a Chevy, but Chevy, they're readily available from 2006 to 16 with a Duramax diesel. The Fords have actually had diesels in them for a long period of time, like back prior to the 2000 version year.
So, you know, that's still readily available. I would certainly not suggest a diesel unless you're hauling extremely heavy lots. Diesels require to be worked. That's really the bottom line with a diesel. If you're a say, I do not recognize, I'm just going to say a plumber and you have actually obtained like a great deal of heavyweight inside your van and you're hauling a trailer behind it, that would be a truly excellent use of having a diesel powered van.
In all justness, it appears like the diesels are, they seem to have much less troubles in vans than they do in the trucks. Possibly because they aren't functioned so hard, but when things occur, they're really costly to repair. We've got a great deal of video clips and details about diesels, especially the Fords.
You really need to assume twice concerning obtaining a diesel in a van. And I will certainly claim, Chevy is rather a lot limited to V8 engines, but Ford has a V 10 engine as well, which is a monstrous gas wolfing engine.
If you're, and once more, we're simply talking regarding kind of a straight, regular freight van right here. The diesel absolutely isn't the very best alternative. Check out your function, your usage, just how much weight you're carrying which'll help you decide. Mark: What concerning the transmission and the remainder of the drive train? Bernie: They're practically equivalent.
One point that we have not spoken concerning right here is what sort of van. These vans are, and it depends upon what model, they're readily available ever from half ton to one heap chassis and actually several of the cutaway vans are in fact also more sturdy, like, you recognize, 450s and 550s for claim the Fords.
Yet typically the drive trains, you understand, I locate them to be virtually equivalent. Mark: So let's chat about guiding and suspension. Just how do they compare? Bernie: You know, I'm going to provide the side to Ford on this one. And the reason for Ford is that it's a little less complex.
There's much less steering linkage associated with a Chevy. There are less components to put on out. They do a round joints that wear. Do Chevy's, however it appears, and the Chevy's possibly last a little bit longer than the Fords, but the, you know, the steering affiliation is a lot less challenging, so there's much less components and less things to put on out.
The adventure in a Ford is possibly a little a lot more vehicle like but I don't understand if you 'd really ever really observed a distinction between the 2. It appears like their parts are a little harder on the Ford than the Chevy.
For some reason, they appear to last for one brake job. And after that a whole lot of times we take the brakes off and state, Oh, the dirt boots torn, therefore the caliper requires to be changed. I assume on a Ford and you can expect to spend a little bit more money on brakes and you can on a Chevy.
And I can, I'm going to swerve back prior to the 2000 model years, there were some Chevy vans that had actually negative doors. I imply, the gliding doors were crap, you understand, actually badly built. In fact, I would state that if you are even considering something older, it feels like Chevy and GMC vans really and their trucks generally truly took a jump onward in top quality around the 2000 design year, since there was a lot of things where the brakes for instance would certainly not last very long whatsoever.
Yet if we're taking a look at the 2000 more recent, I mean, I would certainly claim they're both probably basically equivalent in high quality, fit and finish, you understand, a few of the guest vans, obviously we'll have nicer appointments than the freight vans. I can not claim that one of them stands out to me a bit even more than the various other.
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